Some Intresting News About CB Radios.

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Sun Apr 27, 2008 8:53 am

UpDated,

In 1996 some changes were made to the specs of CBs available in the UK. This seemed to confuse everyone, not least Tandy! If you're buying a CB you may come across rigs of three different specs:

CB 27/81 - this is the pre 1996 UK spec. Rigs to this spec are legal to use in the UK but not in continental Europe. If you've got an older rig this is probably the sort of rig you've got.

CEPT (PR 27 GB) - this is the current EC spec. Legal to use in the UK and Europe. CEPT rigs are not compatible with CB 27/81 rigs and came on the market later. As a result CEPT has never been very popular in the UK, despite Tandy's best attempts to sell them some years back.

MPT 1382 - this is the new UK spec. It replaces CB 27/81, using exactly the same frequencies but with a higher standard for filtering, case radiation, channel rejection etc (the long term aim being to cut down interference with domestic TVs and radio). MPT 1382 rigs are entirely compatible with CB 27/81.

Retailers were not able to sell CB 27/81 rigs after Jan 1996 however they will remain legal to use and can be sold second hand.


Buying a CB
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Having told you what good deals there should be around for new rigs I have to admit that buying second hand is usually far better value for money. £30-40 should get you a good CB 27/81 rig. You'll know if it's legal because it will be marked CB 27/81 on the front somewhere. Keep an eye on your local rag or second hand shop. In Hampshire try Breakers World at Borden, in Cambridgeshire try Tower Communications of Haddeham, both of whom usually have a selection. They're also a good source for aerials and accessories. Cam Resale in Cambridge is also a good source of second hand rigs.
You also need an aerial. This must be a CB aerial, an ordinary radio aerial simply won't do and may actually damage your rig.The longer the aerial is the better range you'll get and the easier it will be to set up. It also needs to be very flexible so it won't get damaged when you're off roading so a bottom weighted one is best (essentially a 4-5' stiff wire with a wound coil at the bottom).


Installation
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Installing your CB is really no different to wiring in a radio/cassette. The only extra work which may be worthwhile is running an earth wire from the aerial base to a good earth point rather than relying on the contact with the aluminium.

Since your vehicle is made of finest aluminium you can't use a mag mount to hold the aerial so you're left with two options: drill a hole somewhere, or fit a gutter mount. Most people seem to prefer a hole, and the front wing is the favourite place (both my landies came with holes there anyway!). Some people use the bumper but I'm dubious about this since most aerials rely on the surrounding flat surface of the landie to enhance the gain.

For "shinies" you might like to try a glass mount aerial. I have one of these on my Range Rover. It works OK, although it's not as good as a proper aerial.

The thing you must do having installed the rig is to SWR the aerial. In essence what you're doing here is getting the length of the aerial exactly matched to your rig and the landie. If you miss this step then you'll find that you won't "get out" as well as you should, and in extreme cases you may damage your rig when transmitting. SWRing isn't difficult but you will need an SWR meter. These cost £5-10 but if you ask about you should be able to find a tame breaker who'll lend you one, and may even help you to SWR the aerial.


And Finally
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Your questions answered:

Do I need a licence? No You Dont Need to buy a CB licence anymore.

What ever happened to AM, LSB & USB? They're still illegal in the united kindom.

Are we still restricted to 4 watts in UK? Yes. And a good thing too. You can buy amplifiers ("burners") to boost your power but using them is both anti-social and illegal. In any case 4W will give you a range of up to 10 miles with a decent aerial, so who needs them?

Do I have to have a "handle"? If you like. If you don't then don't. No one's forcing you to. If you use CB just to talk between yourselves on a quiet channel then you probably don't need one but they're useful for hailing friends on channel 19.
Channel 19? The hailing channel, where you ask for directions, warn of traffic queues, call up friends. You're then meant to go off to another channel for extended talks - but this doesn't always happen.
What about channel 9? Channel 9 is / was the distress channel but, with a few exceptions, there's not many people monitoring channel 9 any more. Use 19 if you need help. However you still shouldn't use channel 9 for chit chat.

hope this informations is helpfull to a lot of you if your new or if your not new and just wanted some updated news and happy dxing to you all.
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Sun Apr 27, 2008 9:56 am

Whatever happened to AM, LSB & USB? They're still illegal.

So what's the go with that? Cause that's what we use here in Aus on 27Mhz.

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Sun Apr 27, 2008 10:06 am

sorry i should change some information there hotmetal buddy LSB and USB are only illegal in the united kindom buddy but every where else LSB and USB are legal and are able to use LSB and USB buddy don`t worry your safe :wink:

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Sun Apr 27, 2008 10:20 am

So any idea behind the reasoning why you aren't allowed to use usb and lsb in the UK?
We have a legal limit of 12 watts on ssb and in this area it's what everyone uses.

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Sun Apr 27, 2008 10:58 am

we have always been limited by our goverment and our law with what to use, it used to be the same with fm cb radios it was this type of action we did back in the late 1970's that got us legalised fm CB radios there are also pictures at the bottom of this link http://www.thunderpole.co.uk/25-years.html. persoanly i dont have a problem with people useing LSB and USB bands but it is a lot to do with our goverment mate this country is just so far behinde the times :roll:

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Wed May 07, 2008 10:24 pm

Do I need a licence?

Yes
No. Not any more. Not since the 8th of December 2006.

Ofcom have made CB radio, licence free.

You don't need to apply for a licence or even inform them you have a CB radio any more.

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Mon May 19, 2008 10:17 pm

must have been a old website he copy and pasted from :lol:

now we dont have to pay ofcom any money they can do what they want
they can let people put broadband down power lines
o joy i just love to listen to interference #-o

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Mon May 19, 2008 11:50 pm

fatfinger wrote:must have been a old website he copy and pasted from :lol:
...1995. :roll:

http://the-hug.org/paul/cbradio.html

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Sat Sep 06, 2008 8:37 pm

hi fatfinger they can do what they want with the muppet 40.......at least we have 555. and we can always go back to am.



more fun on 555 *King*

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to be honest mate i only use the triple usb
more fun on 555

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Sat Oct 18, 2008 9:29 pm

yes paul very true ..a bit quiet at the min mabe it will pick up :)

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Wed Feb 11, 2009 8:32 am

wake me up when you have finished lol.
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Sun Feb 22, 2009 2:23 pm

is true that nobody needs to buy a CB licence anymore,

also a lot of us cb users sighned a SSB-CB Radio - petition and here is the govements response,

Read the Government’s response

Management of the radio spectrum in the UK is the responsibility of the Office of Communications (Ofcom), the independent regulator. Ofcom recognises the interest in Citizens’ Band (CB) radio, which has been exempt from the need for a licence under the Wireless Telegraphy Act 2006 (and before it, the Wireless Telegraphy Act 1949) since 8 December 2006.

Exemption is in line with the Authorisations Directive, which encourages Member States to exempt uses of radio if the risk of harmful interference is sufficiently low. The technical characteristics permitted for CB in the UK were designed to minimise the risk of harmful interference, so permitting exemption. However, the use of Single Side Band (SSB) or, indeed, AM CB, would create an unacceptably high risk of harmful interference to other radio users and to TV reception. It can also result in ‘breakthrough’ on Hi-Fi equipment. The trade off of its exemption from the need for a licence is that CB must not cause interference to other authorised uses of radio and does not enjoy protection. This is particularly important, as CB operates as a secondary service in bands where the MOD is the primary user.

We know that some countries allow SSB, having adopted the European standard for AM/SSB CB radio. However, others, including the UK, have not adopted this standard, as it is for individual administrations to decide whether or not to allow the use of AM/SSB CB. The UK is particularly congested in its use of radio frequencies and this has the effect of increasing the risk of interference between services. We consider that the risk of interference is too great to allow the use of AM/SSB CB radio in the UK.

wish people would understand that useing SSB USB and also LSB are better for those of us who like to get away from UK 40 fm. and have a chat to some people in other countrys in europe.

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Sun Feb 22, 2009 4:24 pm

If you didnt know it the government didnt/dont want cb radio in the uk,there only let us have it because there was a lot of people useing am/ssb .if there wanted cb radio there would let you have the same bands as the rest of europe and have ( am/fm/ssb ).and now that the cb licence has gone so there is no one at all to regulator it , IF IT EVER WAS.
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Sun Feb 22, 2009 8:47 pm

that`s our uk goverment for you also if our goverment knew that they could make money out of it then i am shure they would go ahead with letting most of us use am/ssb/usb/lsb, also the reason why it has gone quiet on the cb these days is most likely because most home users now have a computer instead of a cb radio, i surpose in one way it is good might be getting rid off some of the idots of the air waves in another way it be more harder for a original good breaker to have a good chit chat with as the idiots might have scared them off the air waves.

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